What does it take to act differently and collaboratively towards systems change? Why do we fall back behind shields of hierarchy, authority, rigour and/or accountability, rather than openly explore different governance models, ones that reflect our knowledge of how systems behave? Why do we try to tame complexity?  Christine Spottiswood and Cassie Bingham will reflect on their work building ways and spaces to encourage more sustainable changemaking, learning from the systems all around us.